The Pride Podcast Part 1: What Its Like to Live and Design In Denver for LGBTQ People

"Kenda Ruck (00:02)
Welcome to Living Colorado's Getting Real Estate. We're your host, John and Kenda. And today we're going to be kicking off our two-part Pride podcast, where we talk about what it's really like to live in the Denver area, especially for our LGBTQ and allies community.

John Wilkinson (00:18)
That's right. Justin, welcome to the Getting Real Estate Living Colorado podcast. Thanks for coming. We're super excited to have you here. Tell us a little bit about yourself.

Justin Gregory (00:24)
Thanks for having me.

a little bit about myself. I am 37. I live in Colorado from Texas originally. you know, love being gay. Love Pride Month. I am a design consultant at Arhaus I helped decorate and furnish some of this place. You did. But yeah, I'm just really happy to be here.

John Wilkinson (00:45)
Yeah, likewise. Thank you so much.

Kenda Ruck (00:46)
Could you take us back just a little bit so we can get to know you and tell us a little bit about your coming out story? Sure. Were there people who were influential or really supportive at that time that played pivotal roles? Tell us a little bit about how that went about and how long ago that was.

Justin Gregory (01:02)
Sure.

how long ago? I believe I was probably in high school, maybe like junior year. my story isn't crazy, but it is a little funny. So I my c I first came out to my best friend and she already knew, but I was like, I need to come out to my family, so I had to start with my mom. I am very much a mama's boy. I'm the youngest, you know, child out of four boys. So

and my brothers were much older than me. So they were kind of like already out of the house, they were doing their own thing. And so it was just like me and mom at home a lot. And so I felt like I should tell her first. And we were driving in the car, going to Walmart, as we did. And I told her. And she basically was like, Are you sure? Are you sure that's are you sure this is this is what you want and this is what's what's going on? And I was like, She didn't see it coming.

She I feel like she did. Yeah. But in the moment, she was like very much like, is this real? You know? And we talked about it in the car, and I told her, you know, how I felt and what I liked. And, you know, she was totally okay with it. She was totally cool with it. And then we get to Walmart, and we're walking down, and she goes,

John Wilkinson (02:13)
Ha.

Justin Gregory (02:16)
Justin, those girls were just checking you out. And I was like, okay. I was like, that isn't I just told you. Yeah. She was like, just making sure, just making sure. Just making sure. And then my mom told the world. Yeah. My mom told my whole family. She screamed it at the top of her lungs. And I didn't know she had done any of this until that coming Thanksgiving, when my aunts and my my grandmother came over and

My two aunts just like cornered me and they were like, Mom told us your secret. And I was like, Well, there it is. Everybody know.

John Wilkinson (02:51)
Did you so th was this in San Antonio? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So my, you know, I we've talked about my mom grew up in Mexico but lived in San Antonio. And when I came out, you mentioned Thanksgiving. Yeah. I was with my sister driving to I think I was nineteen years old, driving to get something for Thanksgiving dinner. And I came out to her and that night at at Thanks right after Thanksgiving dinner ended, my sister said

I think John has something to say. And so yeah, so my mom's like I had written a letter because I couldn't even say the word gay, you know, or boyfriend or anything like that. This is ages before you were born, probably. You know, but yeah, I told my mom read the letter and my dad was in the military, she's Hispanic, you know, so they were all very Catholic. It was you know, all these things against, but she then proceeded to tell everybody and she also my sister, other little sister, had just been born. and she said, Let's have all my girls down by the fireplace.

Including me. And I was like, well, hold on. I'm still I'm still dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a it was a little different. But yeah, I think it is important, like especially pride, you know, the coming out to show people that, you know, you can have a great life and yeah, that everything is the same. It's just who you love.

Justin Gregory (03:58)
Yeah, and I feel like, you know, being gay, the thing that you know, it our community always says is that you get to choose your family. Yeah. And a lot of people don't have the luxury of coming after their parents and their parents being okay with it. But if that's the case, you have your gay community to to fall back on, to rely on. Yeah. And I've definitely utilized that a lot over the years. Yeah.

Kenda Ruck (04:22)
Well, at some point you left Texas. You left San Antonio. Yes. it had to be a big Well, yeah, I'm from the South too. I'm from the South too, so I get it. But what made you first consider, okay, I think I need to get out of here, first of all? And second of all, how how did you pick Denver? And then the last part of that question, it's all together, is what what did you think when you got here?

Justin Gregory (04:28)
Fast enough.

I mean Denver brought me to Denver. Colorado brought me to Colorado. it was a really easy transition because my mom was already living here, my brother lives here still, and I had like some aunts, uncles, cousins, that sort of thing. So it seemed like it would be a very easy transition to to get out this direction. But you know, I was I was growing in a city that wasn't growing with me, I feel.

So, you know, I wanted to be more athletic. I wanted to be outside and do things. I wanted to to explore, you know, the nature, I guess. And that wasn't really an option, I guess, in San Antonio. There just wasn't like a lot to do. Like I San Antonio is where I got into cycling, but there's not a lot of like good cycling paths out there. There's not a lot of good cycling highways and roads out there. So I was I was really restricted in in that regard. But

It was also really challenging because it was so hot and it was so humid. And it it it's it's totally different than what it's like living here. Yeah. So it was a it like I said, it was just like a really easy transition to to get out here. And my first impression was like i amazing because the weather. The weather is so nice. Yeah. Like coming from something somewhere where it's just so humid and hot. My last summer in San Antonio.

We had a hundred days of over a hundred degree weather straight in a row. I know. That was my last it's so high. It's so, so high. And so, you know, coming here and just feeling like the the drier air, and you know, the breeze that kicks up and the sun that's always shining. that was like my my first impression was how nice it was. Although I did

Kenda Ruck (06:13)
Like what eighty five percent.

Justin Gregory (06:32)
you know, move here in the winter dead of the winter. So even like that was nice. But once spring and summer came, I was like, this is this is insane. I've never experienced this. Yeah.

John Wilkinson (06:41)
So Denver has, you know, obviously a a big LGBTQ community. You know, we've got Cheesman, Alamo Placita Congress Park, you know, there's so many great neighborhoods. what of those, did you did you when you got here, did you feel like you already had a sense of community? Did you know people before you moved here? Or how easy was it for you to meet friends and build your your community?

Justin Gregory (07:01)
I feel like whenever I moved here it was fairly easy. I did know some people. They did show me around, they did show me the neighborhoods and where to go and where to get drinks and where to get food and and all that stuff, but I I kind of did just like fall into, you know, a really cool group of people.

That you know, a lot of them still live here. and so it that was like a really easy transition into this Colorado life and this Colorado world. But keep on the other side of that is that I was I felt like I was so busy when I moved here because I had a visitor.

for every other weekend for like a year. A Texas. Yes. anywhere. Anywhere. Yeah. So I I just was like, my gosh, like I can't afford this. I can't get afford go out like this every weekend. but it was it was great because like like I said it was there were there was a community for me to easily, you know, move right into.

John Wilkinson (07:56)
I love that. Yeah, and I will attest, you know, Billy and I moved here and when we were looking for furniture, we went to Arhaus and we see Justin, you know, at his computer pretending to not see us. You know. And so we're like we're looking for things. Yeah. And and he started saying he was from San Antonio. We had moved from Austin. And so like I connected with him after I said, Hey, we're new, we're looking for friends, you know, whatever. Is that is that weird? You know, and so we went out and had

Kenda Ruck (08:21)
Like is it weird?

Justin Gregory (08:22)
No, I no. At first I I at first I was like, this has never happened. Yeah. So that was the weird aspect of it, but it w genuinely was friendly. And so I was like, yeah, I'm definitely gonna take them up on their offer. And then I introduced you to my ""girlfriend"".

John Wilkinson (08:35)
I

know. He said this is girlfriend, we're like, wait, we thought maybe he was gay maybe he's not. Kind of like the metro line. I don't know. You know, but yeah, then then his ""girlfriend"" Chris showed up and it was great. It was it was really it was really fun. Yeah.

Kenda Ruck (08:48)
That's great. Well, if you had somebody who was thinking like, Well, I'm leaving Texas, I'm ready to leave Texas, where should I go? What what would you tell them the main differences besides the weather? Yeah. Obviously, between life in Texas and life in Denver.

Justin Gregory (09:03)
For sure. So one of my really good friends moved here probably like five years ago, and he was considering he was from Dallas and he was considering going to Austin or Denver. And of course I was like, You have to come to Denver. And he's like, Well, I need to know why you feel that way in comparison to Austin, because I also know Austin, right? And I said, Denver for for you know, myself and for my friend, Denver caters to to us.

It has the outdoor lifestyle. It has all of these beautiful seasons that you can tap into. You can go skiing, then you can, you know, go swimming, and then you can go biking and you can play tennis and volleyball and all these things that you know we we do outside. I said Austin is just gonna be a better version, in my opinion, of Dallas. You're gonna have the food and the drink and the going out, right? And that's what you got. You know, there are like some recreational things to do in Austin, but it's just

nowhere near. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I was just just there for a fiesta in San Antonio and I was just flooded with like how awful that humidity is. Yeah. And I was like, this is just unbearable. Yeah.

John Wilkinson (09:58)
It's hot.

Yeah, it really is. Yeah. Yeah, it really is. And that's one of the reasons why we left too. It's just there's you just don't get away from it. Right.

Kenda Ruck (10:16)
Yeah. Same in Georgia. Couldn't stand it anymore.

Justin Gregory (10:18)
yeah.

Kenda Ruck (10:20)
I'm actually really kind of super excited to talk to you a little bit about your professional life because I kind of like decorating and design. I never went to school for it. I wish I had because I love it so much. But you are the senior designer at Arhaus, which has the most incredible furnishings at that I've seen in Denver. Yeah. and I know that it is a it is a national chain, I believe. Yeah.

But how do you as a southern boy, how do you think your aesthetic fits in with the Denver aesthetic? Is there a difference? Are you bringing something unique to the Denver aesthetic from you know your Southern heritage? Sure. And and like kind of talk a little bit about the the way that people in Colorado

design? Are they looking for sustainability? Are they resourcing local? Like what are they, how are they managing their design decisions?

Justin Gregory (11:16)
Yeah, I think I have just adapted to what Coloradans want and you know and and trying to put like my own twist and my own personal style on what they love. for instance, like I I I just like really like to make people feel happy about what they're buying and what they're putting into their their house. So if I'm doing that and I see the smile on their face, then I just know that like what I'm doing is correct, and then I know that they're gonna buy for.

John Wilkinson (11:44)
Sure. Yeah, building that relationship I know is is critical and that's w what drew us to you for sure in making the selections that we did. we're very decisive. But I can imagine or I would wonder, you know, somebody who has is buying a condo or something in rhino versus, you know, furnishing a mountain home, like what are the differences that you see or are there any differences in in the society?

Justin Gregory (12:05)
Yeah,

there there definitely is some differences. So in in Denver, you kind of have like a lot of different styles. so you can have like a contemporary, you can have a modern, you can have, you know, traditional. But up in the mountains, I feel like every mountain client wants mountain modern, which is really easy to do at Arhaus. Yeah. Like I feel like of all the you know, higher end luxury furnished retail, you know, outlets.

Our house has that mountain modern vibe down.

Kenda Ruck (12:32)
Tell us what Mountain Modern is.

Justin Gregory (12:34)
I feel like it's just like it it's it's layers, it's textures, its earth tones. Okay. It's not you're not like throwing in like a bunch of cool tones and whites and creams and like cold stone. You're going with like warmer woods and warmer like metals and you know, layers of like natural fiber, so like sheepskins, cowhides, leathers, that sort of thing.

But it's doesn't look like it came from your grandfather's barn. You know? So like I feel like that's what the mountain modern aesthetic is.

John Wilkinson (13:10)
Would you consider like I know Ralph Lauren obviously has that mountain aesthetic, but it is more traditional. Right. I I wouldn't consider it modern per se. Yeah. So that's I think maybe is that a differential between what Arhaus can do versus like a Ralph Lauren? Obviously both super nice, but

Justin Gregory (13:26)
Yeah different. Yeah, I think like with the Mountain Modern, you're still you're gonna have like sectional sofas, coffee tables that are gonna go heavy all the way to the ground. With a Ralph Lauren, everything's a little elevated. So you have like a longer higher foot, you have like a lot of like higher backs, and then you have I think like maybe just like a lot of plaid is going on at Ralph Lauren, which is just kind of like obvious. So I think with the Mountain Modern vibe, you're take it's a totally different, different take on on what it is.

John Wilkinson (13:55)
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That totally makes sense. Yeah. I think that, you know, like seeing the trends that you know people are kind of getting into. And I know there's there's so many photos that you that that we'll share on the podcast as well, they kind of like speak to this trend that you're that you're talking to. Yep.

Kenda Ruck (14:11)
Yeah. I think a

lot of people want to be outdoors here. and so I I would picture most people do a very simple, non cluttered, non busy interior just because they want to come home, feel right at home, and then and then get outside.

Justin Gregory (14:25)
Yep, exactly. Yeah, yeah,

I I I definitely do. And you know, there's a lot of things that I'm even seeing like in this home and right in front of me, like you're mimicking, you know, the texture that's outside. You're bringing in that really cool aspen eye on, you know, the the tree into, you know, this home. But this is still, you know, modern and it's still contemporary and it still is a updated version of that.

John Wilkinson (14:52)
Yeah, well thanks to you. And Joel, he would kill me. Yeah, yes, taking my client. Yeah, whatever. so like we've talked about you know, obviously the mountain stuff and sustainability. Have have you 'cause I know that Arhaus does a lot of customization. are clients or have clients in Colorado been more concerned about sustainability or resources, like where is it coming from? yeah, does that come up at all?

Justin Gregory (14:54)
Yeah, yeah. Los Angeles He would kill us.

Yeah, it does. It does come up. It doesn't come up a ton, but it does. We hear that the boulder crowd, you know, really asks these questions. but yeah, like Arhaus is definitely that is at forefront how they go to market is to be sustainable. I mean, we're we're not chopping down rainforests, we're using sustainably grown and harvested woods, we're using recycled metals in every single one of our products.

we're using a plant-based foam in our cushion constructions. we're using, you know, sterilized down, like all of this stuff. So when when that's asked, I and we we also, because we're nationwide, we have to adhere to all of California's you know laws and restrictions and stuff like that. So when people ask, you know, what's in this off-gassing, and I'm like,

We we adhere to California's rules and regulations and they're like, perfect. Perfect, let's go, let's shop. You know, no more questions needed or no more answers. Yeah.

John Wilkinson (16:09)
Yeah, the most stringent for sure.

What's been the craziest story I guess client that's come in that's either furnishing a whole house or a short-term rental or something like that? What's that's been the craziest?

Justin Gregory (16:24)
The cr crazy as how. Crazy can be like Okay, crazy.

John Wilkinson (16:28)
Yeah, no, no. Crazy good. Like

they've done like just whatever they've done. Yeah. Yeah.

Kenda Ruck (16:31)
Crazy bad.

Justin Gregory (16:33)
Yeah.

My crazy good experience was I was just sitting up in the I love this story actually. I was sitting up in the front of the showroom trying to capture business, coming well, just walking straight in from the front door. Because I had just been luck I had just been not lucky going on, you know, weeks and months, or not months, maybe weeks. I'd be like, I just don't have anybody in the roster. Who's gonna come in and buy from me? Da da da. And I was sitting up there, this woman walks in.

with just this platinum hair and with her daughter and she's like I just bought a house do you guys offer design services and I was like yes absolutely and I saw that platinum hair and I was like that's money that is money that costs a lot of money to keep that hair up so I was like yeah absolutely and she goes I just bought this house I'll be in touch we'll send you everything we're renovating it but we're gonna need like a whole house and I like great we start working with them we build out the entire home

We lay everything out. They come in to look at everything. And within probably half an hour, they go, We love it. Here's my card. my gosh. $200,000. Wow. It was a huge, huge order. Yeah. Wow. And since then, she has referred so many, because she's a realtor, so she has referred so many of her clients to me. And she's bought more and just keeps coming back. And I'm like, I don't know of a better client other than this. That's great.

Kenda Ruck (17:35)
Yeah.

Justin Gregory (17:52)
That they just they just trust you. Yeah. They just trust you. And they're they're like, I don't like this, I don't like that. What's that? Why did you put that here? Yeah. Because I I've I had those clients of that going on the bad ones, I have had these these clients that just question literally everything. They're like, So why did you pick this for me? Why did you pick that for and I'm like, why are you being combative?

John Wilkinson (18:14)
Yeah.

Justin Gregory (18:14)
Like like I picked it because it's gorgeous. I picked it because it met your you know your d design aesthetics. So it I mean this that that client was definitely one of the worst and you know, why did you put the rug that way? And you know I'm like, I don't I don't know. Now I'm questioning me. Yeah. Exactly.

John Wilkinson (18:32)
You came to me.

Kenda Ruck (18:35)
I have to be honest, I thought you were gonna say that your worst experience was when this lady came in with her two girlfriends. We're going to a movie, but we'll be right back. That was me.

Justin Gregory (18:46)
No, you were definitely not the worst. Yeah, yeah, you didn't think I would 'cause I probably joked and I said they always say they'll come back. Are you really gonna come back? And you did.

Kenda Ruck (18:55)
But I did come back.

I did. I really would love it if you could share a little bit about what's coming, what's coming in and also what's coming out. Because I wanna try to stay ahead of the trends. I love that and I love the inside track. So if you could give us and our audience a little bit of an inside track on what's out and what's coming in.

Justin Gregory (19:16)
So right now I feel like what's trending is warmth, is bringing a sense of like really cozy, like warm tones to the home. You know, in the early two thousands everything was just gray, right? Every builder out there was just it was just a gray, whitewash, ugly. I mean, I well sorry, I don't wanna say ugly because probably some people still have it or like it.

John Wilkinson (19:39)
Change.

Justin Gregory (19:40)
Yeah, it's time for them to call me. Yeah.

but now I th it they're just bringing in like textures and warmths and colors and patterns and stuff like that. so I feel like that's what's trending now. That's what I'm designing, that's what everybody's asking for. What's coming, and Arhaus is already campaigning on this, and a lot of other brands are already campaigning on this, is a modern take on traditional. So they're bringing back the more like eclectic.

mix together styles. So doing like a really modern and traditional silhouette on a sofa, but then doing like this really cool chair that looks like it was from like great grandmas. wow. But putting like a new updated wood finish on it or a beautiful pattern, you know, on the cushion or a beautiful texture or color that just makes that chair be like,

That looks so old, but my gosh, is it gorgeous.

Kenda Ruck (20:35)
It's kinda like in clothing, it's they call it ""grandma chic"" and a lot of people are going back to the tapestry, you know, shoes and the scarves and but it's chic, so it's grandma chic and it sounds like the design world is following right along.

Justin Gregory (20:51)
Yeah, because yes. And whenever I design it, whenever I tell people wh whenever they're trying to think of how to lay out their homes or what they should do, is I always say it's like you need the ugly piece. You need the piece that doesn't belong because it'll make your home feel like you didn't just walk into a big box store and buy the footprint. Right. You know, you didn't just go, yeah, that living room looks great, I'll take that and that bedroom looks good, I'll take that. It makes it look like you actually are going out and collecting and you know

Getting something that really pops in your living room versus just like a lot of stuff that looks very good together. Yeah.

Kenda Ruck (21:26)
It's almost like a history or a story that the room is telling, like this was here a long time ago, or this was my grandmother's.

Justin Gregory (21:34)
Because think about how warm and inviting and cozy your grandmother's place was. And how much you loved it. And it was just thrown with a bunch of stuff. Yes. You know what I mean?

John Wilkinson (21:43)
Totally. Well, one of the things I love about Arhaus and you when you when you bring attention to the accessories is a lot of the accessories look old. They look like they not all of them, but a lot. Yeah. Do look old and they they they add that kind of that story.

Justin Gregory (21:57)
Yeah. And something that Arhaus does that I think is really cool that I haven't really seen a lot of other retailers do is they bring in relic pieces. Yeah. So our buyers will actually find these one off chairs, ottomans, credenzas, stuff like that, from all over the world. And they will just ship them into showrooms and sell them off as relics. And on the tag it literally says circa nineteen, twenty, whatever from Russia.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it's really cool. Like we have a few in our in our showroom right now. and I feel like that those are the ugly pieces. who cares if it's too big for the wall? It's so cool. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's meant to be a little bit of an eyesore because it's interesting. And if it makes you uncomfortable, go with it.

John Wilkinson (22:31)
Yeah, sure.

Yeah, no, that's I

Yeah. Right. You know, I know in real estate, you know, we'll get clients that have a lot of questions or they don't like something and they can't see beyond like what what it is today. Do you find that you have clients that you 'cause you have fabrics and and a lot of customization like we talked about. Yeah. Is it tough to get them to like visualize what that fabric is going to be on that chair or, you know, the wood is on a on a table?

Justin Gregory (23:05)
Sometimes it is. sometimes it is hard to get them to imagine what it looks like on the chair. But as a salesperson, that's whenever I come in and I'm just like, you have to trust the process because what how you can get them to be sold on this is you pull in other fabrics and be like, Look how that doesn't work. Right. Look how this does work together. And then they're like, Okay, I'm buying into it. I trust you, you know, 'cause

I'll say I've done I I do probably the majority of my business is custom. I'm not just like selling sofas in fabric in the stock fabric off the floor. Like I really do want to customize stuff. And it I don't think I've ever had someone come back and be like, It looked awful. Yeah. I didn't like it. Yeah. So but yeah.

Kenda Ruck (23:50)
Great. Justin, this has been so great and I really so appreciate you coming to talk to us today. Any big pride plans?

Justin Gregory (23:59)
Yeah, I mean we got tickets. We got tickets to a lot of things. We haven't settled on on what we're gonna do yet, but we do have some tickets. there's quite a few parties out there. shout out to Playhouse. Yes. definitely go check out one of these Playhouse parties. they really throw a great event and they're the crowd is always awesome. It's in really cool spaces, great music, great DJ lineups. but yeah, it's gonna be fun.

Kenda Ruck (24:22)
feel you feel like Denver is a very open culture, very accepting, very safe for the LGBTQ community if l say for example there's a trans person who's thinking about moving to Denver. Do you think that would be a place where they could feel safe?

Justin Gregory (24:36)
Yeah.

I would say welcome. Like please come. you know, in in Texas, the cities are very liberal, but the rest of Texas is very not, and I have experienced that quite a bit. Yep. and coming to Colorado, I haven't been anywhere in the state that I have felt that I can't hold my boyfriend's hand, I can't be myself, I can't, you know, dress like I wanna dress or act like how I wanna act. everybody here has been has really embraced it. Yeah. So

You know, if if if you're thinking about coming to Colorado, please come.

John Wilkinson (25:06)
I agree. I think it's it's such a great place to live. there's so much to do. People are super welcoming. You know, you talked about last things like where can people find you? Obviously we've talked about Arhaus a lot. Yeah. Where is it? How can they find you?

Justin Gregory (25:18)
I mean you can you can DM me on Instagram. Okay. @JustinPatrick89 I believe is my handle. but

Kenda Ruck (25:24)
Tell me you were not born in nineteen eighty nine.

Justin Gregory (25:26)
No, it's just my favorite year. Yeah.

John Wilkinson (25:27)
Yeah, okay. AKA yes.

Justin Gregory (25:32)
Yes, yes. You

want to hear something crazy is that my boyfriend was born in ninety eight. my god. So think about that. He is so cute.

John Wilkinson (25:38)
Yeah but he's so cute. He is so cute. He is so cute. That's awesome.

I know he is a little nugget. He is. We we will have him on one of the podcasts. He does a lot of commercial, restaurant, hospitality kind of design. Yep, yeah, he's he's really talented. so next week, thanks for being here for part one, Pride Podcast. Next week is Pride part two, Pride Podcast. We're gonna be

Kenda Ruck (25:51)
be so fun.

Justin Gregory (25:51)
My

little architect.

John Wilkinson (26:03)
Interviewing Nadine Bridges, who's the executive director of One Colorado. Yeah.

Kenda Ruck (26:07)
That's a big that's a big one. Yes. Yeah. This is this Pride Podcast series is so good.

John Wilkinson (26:12)
It is,

yeah, and she's one of the Grand Marshals of the Pride Parade on Sunday. So that's awesome. So yeah, it's gonna be great. She's doing a lot of advocacy work for equality here throughout the state. obviously trans rights is a big a big issue right now, which is really important that you know people talk about it, have the conversations, and I think it's gonna be an interesting conversation. so that's next week.

Kenda Ruck (26:32)
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John Wilkinson (26:53)
That's right. Thanks everybody. Thanks Justin again for coming. Appreciate it.

Kenda Ruck (26:56)
We'll

Justin Gregory (26:57)
Much. Yeah, you got it.

Kenda Ruck (26:58)
see you in the next one.
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